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migky

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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #15 on: 17:28:25, 01/08/08 »
Hi Yank, i have emailed you a map of Manchester 1850's it may help you?
I'm a bit like Marmite

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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #16 on: 17:39:56, 01/08/08 »
Map? I don't see it!

  Thanks!

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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #17 on: 18:04:13, 01/08/08 »
Got it!  Thanks I will print out and add to my geneology binder.

 Looks like Manchester was very large and kind of crowded in that era!

 Thanks for the map!

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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #18 on: 14:58:12, 05/08/08 »

One other question I have is the fact that the Abbott's and Yate's being Catholic point out anything in that era? (late 1700's early 1800's)

I have an Aunt who thinks the Abbott's origianted from Scotland. I have no way of confirming that!

Thanks again!


The surname Abbott is of course from the word abbot, the head of a monastery or convent. Abbots were priests and were celibate, so they could not found families. And even if they did enjoy a quick tryst under the table in a moonlit refectory with a scullery wench, it would have been unwise to make known the fact by labelling one’s illicit spawn in public registries.

Therefore Abbot/Abbott as a surname usually meant that the founding ancestor of the family had been the lay servant of an abbot or a male who worked on the estate or in the household of an abbot.

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The Scottish Gaelic surname McNab or MacNab or Macnab means ‘son of the abbot.’

Concerning the etymology of MacNab, two questions arise.

First query: How did that n get in front of the ‘ab’ in MacNab? That’s because the Gaelic form of the name was mac an aba ‘son of the abbot.’

Second query: How could celibate abbots have offspring and thus found families? Unlike most other Catholic abbacies, those held by Celtic abbots were lay positions and the office was hereditary. In Glendochart, the MacNab homeland in Perthshire, Scotland, stood a great monastery built in the early Middle Ages where the first chiefs of the clan were lay abbots. Some Scottish families with the name Abbott are actually disgruntled MacNabs who, at several points in the long, troubled history of the clan, grew so angry at clan leaders that they changed their names, and translated MacNab back into English as Abbott!
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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #19 on: 15:25:14, 05/08/08 »

One other question I have is the fact that the Abbott's and Yate's being Catholic point out anything in that era? (late 1700's early 1800's)


There were many thousands of Irish immigrants in Manchester at around that time in the 1820's and 30's
So I don't suppose it means very much in particular?
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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #20 on: 17:06:41, 05/08/08 »
I was in a taxi driving along Washway Road, turned round and in the next taxi was Russ Abbott ...............

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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #21 on: 23:04:59, 07/08/08 »
Thanks RAB for the Abbott / Macnab surname history!

The only other thing do not know is if John Abbott had any brothers or sisters left behind in Manchester when he left in 1842. I figure that the 1841 british census may be a good start?  Were there any earlier census taken in Manchester?


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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #22 on: 00:38:40, 08/08/08 »
The 1841 census was not the first apparently :

 There are some isolated surviving earlier censuses for a few places in earlier years of the 1800s, (from 1801), but the first major national census of use to family historians was carried out in 1841. Subsequent censuses were taken every ten years, 1851, 1861 etc. (with the exception of 1941 during World War 2, when no census was taken)

http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/info/sdates.html


How did you find out the following? :

G, G, G, Grandfather, John Abbott, was born on January 24th, 1822 he was baptized at St Augustines R C Church on Grandby Row
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Yank

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Re: Abbott, Yates - early 1800's - Manchester
« Reply #23 on: 12:17:47, 08/08/08 »
A geneologist from Lancashire retrieved the information for me. She also mailed me a copy of a page from St Augustines Baptism dated 1/31/1821. The year John Abbott was baptised. That is where I found out that his father was William and Mother was Frances Yates. I also received from her that William was baptised on November 5th, 1797 at Cathedral) (I thought that Lancashire being written as Lancaster was interesting on the top of the page being that I don't live far from Lancaster County, Pa) His parents were listed as Thomas and Beatrice Abbott. She could not find any additional information in the time alloted. The parents of Frances Yates were Matthew and Sarah Yates. Of course the surnames of Sarah and Beatrice are unknown.