Britain's Disgrace

[RAB]

On the streets, especially at the weekend, kids shouting in groups displaying ugly acts of aggression and exaggerated physical gestures

Parents neither know nor care and probably likewise scream at their own kids unable to cope in any other way at the monsters they have spawned

Kids emboldened by lack of firm parental control unleashed upon our streets with little to restrain them, certainly the Police can't be expected to be called out to control every manic outbreak

Then one day, a little older and armed with a weapon the limits broken by blind rage, a child falls bleeding and dies for lack of his parent's love and affection
 

[Christopher]

The world of the politically correct ideals of well intentioned people who disapproved of giving a child a good slap at the time it misbehaved (whether in the home or in a public place) as well as teachers at schools being allowed to discipline children with the cane is not a pleasant place in which to live. It's about time someone formed a Common Sense Society so that the situation can be brought under control before it gets totally out of hand. 

[RAB]

...Agreed, it's society that has altered recently and not the children that have mutated somehow

Teachers and Police have to supply the lack of useful parenting, but both are stymied by weird perversions in favour of children's rights and we see kids in schools which allow casual clothing and running out of control at the local shops during the lunchtime break

This simply does not work and these schools without good control are sometimes just as bad as poor parents

Does parental/educational responsibility ever become enforced by law ? - If not why not
 

[Christopher]

It's not a good situation when you see a query like this on Yahoo Answers! "Should I bring a knife to school to defend myself?" It may have been asked by someone at an American school but knives are being carried by British school children too and judging by recent news headlines they're not being used for sharpening their pencils.

[Chameleon]

As someone else mentioned, the problem is the "nanny state" in which we live nowadays.

There's no genetic mutation of today's kids, just a lack of discipline in the early years brought about by the do-gooders who have been a major influence on the destruction of society as we once knew it.

I met one of these people once .......... the "oh well kids will be kids, what can you do" brigade. I met him when I caught his 11 year old breaking into my house!

[Christopher]

I met one of these people once .......... the "oh well kids will be kids, what can you do" brigade. I met him when I caught his 11 year old breaking into my house!

There's only one answer to a parent like that ... "either you call the police or I will."

I believe one or two parents have reported their children's actions to the police in the same way that it was reported recently that twin sisters reported their mother for drunken driving. There's no harm taking such actions if people are breaking the law. A couple of questions spring to my mind regarding the reasons for an eleven year finding the need to break into a house ...

1. Is it bravado to impress mates?
2. Is it for money needed to pay for drink or drugs?

It's probably better for parents and teachers to call in the police if either know of children being involved in criminal activities as neither parents nor teachers have proper training to handle such incidents.

[RAB]

Assuming those kids generally running amok, or actually causing criminal acts on our streets, are rounded up by the Police and detained until they cough up their home address
Or the previous situation applies where a parent or teacher reports them

Or in any other case imaginable for kids below the age of criminal responsibility being traced back to the parents responsible

What powers do the Police then have to enforce parental discipline given the situation already stated where the parent is wholly inadequate ?

 

[RAB]

I'd wholly forgotten about ASBO's but possibly kids collect them as a badge of 'street cred' and I can imagine a newspaper cartoon of a youth proudly stating he's working towards his third ASBO, when asked what he's doing.....

Do ASBO's have an age range limit ?

 

[celeste]

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This site uses Flash  Pensioner, 76, given Asbo for abuse (From Watford Observer) 

A 76-year-old Cricklewood man has become the oldest person in the borough to be given an antisocial behaviour order (Asbo) after he spat at other pensioners living at his care home, spouted racist and ...
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[RAB]

ok that was fun !! it looks as if his shoelaces have been taken out in readiness !!

I see there is no upper age limit but a lower age limit of 10 years :

AGE LIMITS
"The minimum age limit for an ASBO is 10. There is no maximum age limit.
The age of criminal responsibility is 10 and whilst the ASBO is a Civil Order, a breach is a criminal offence"

HOW LONG DOES AN ASBO LAST FOR
"An ASBO lasts for a minimum of two years. There is no maximum time limit. In respect of someone aged under 18, the ASBO is reviewed after 12 months and if it has not been breached, can be lifted by a Court"
 

[RAB]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/anti-social-behaviour/what-is-asb/?version=4

I think people who put their dogs unleashed on other people's property to use as a toilet should have an asbo placed on them

Ofcourse it could possibly put the person requesting it in some danger   !!   

[celeste]

It's against the law for a dog to be off the lead