Two Policewomen killed in Manchester

[sheilanz]

Forgive my ignorance nut what is an  Osman notice?
 
 
 
I feel that hanging would be no deterent, they would as someone else said'just go on a huge killing sprey knowing they could only hand once.....However zI do believe a birching at the begining of their going bad would make them think twice before doing any greater harm.....Oh yes I mean BIRCHING not a slap on the wrist with a wewt lettuce leaf....................

[Cupcake]

A Mr Osman was shot dead and his son wounded by a man they knew, for no good reason.  The family went to court because they said the Police had sufficient information to know there was a serious threat to Mr Osman's life, but they had said nothing.    As a result, there is now a requirement to notify anyone (including criminals) when the Police have reason to believe their life is threatened, and the letters are called Osman warnings.  In this case, I suppose it's about reprisals within the existing feud.
 
I'm not sure birching works on people who've grown up around violence.  I think it just serves to reinforce what they've learned.   I am in favour of productive punishment - make them do something useful and/or show them the consequences of their actions for other people.  Show them there's an alternative to their way of thinking.  And then when it becomes clear which of them are beyond saving, lock them up for life so they can't hurt anyone else.

[celeste]

First degree murder - life should mean life
 
if considered a danger to the public then they must be in prison until properly judged otherwise
 
 

[celeste]

EDL arrest over Manchester police killings                  Published on Thursday, 20 September 2012 23:06                                 Hits: 3502               According to reports in the Daily Telegraph, an EDL supporter has been arrested in connection with the killing of two female police officers in a gun and grenade attack in Manchester eariler this week.
Pcs Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone were alledegly lured to their deaths by Dale Cregan and Stephen Garvey has been arrested on suspicion of making the phone call.

They reported:
Stephen Garvey, 28, was arrested on Wednesday for conspiracy to murder the female police officers and is being questioned over making the hoax phone call which lured the women to their deaths.
Garvey, a Manchester City fan, lives on the Hattersley estate in Mottram, Greater Manchester, and lists himself as a fan of the English Defence League, the right-wing organisation, on his Facebook page.

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21 September 2012 Last updated at 22:12     

 Manchester police murders: Boy aged 15 arrested PCs Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes were killed on Tuesday  Continue reading the main story Related Stories

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A 15-year-old boy has been arrested in connection with the murders of two police officers in Greater Manchester.
Police said the boy, who was detained in Hattersley on suspicion of assisting an offender, has been bailed until next Thursday.
Earlier, Dale Cregan, 29, appeared at Manchester Magistrates' Court, charged with the murders of PC Nicola Hughes and PC Fiona Bone.
Mr Cregan is also charged with the murders of Mark Short and David Short.
PCs Hughes and Bone died after they were called to reports of a burglary in Hattersley on Tuesday.Armed police Mark Short, 23, died from a gunshot wound to the neck after a shooting in the Cotton Tree Inn in Droylsden, Greater Manchester, on 25 May.
His father David, 46, was found dead at a house in Folkestone Road East, Clayton, Greater Manchester, on 10 August after police were called following reports of gunshots.    Armed police were present in court during the hearing Armed police surrounded the magistrates' court on Friday morning before Mr Cregan's appearance.
He was remanded in custody to appear at Manchester Crown Court on Monday.
Mr Cregan also faces four counts of attempted murder. Three of the charges relate to the pub shooting. The fourth relates to the attack in Clayton.
Police confirmed Stephen Garvey, 28, who had been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the deaths of the police officers, has been released without charge.

[Cupcake]

Family feud.  They start young...... The armed escort is to make sure Cregan survives to get to prison.  Don't give much for his chances after that. 
 
I doubt the EDL had anything to do with it though.  They tend to be specifically focused on immigrants and their descendants. 
   

[Dor]

Cregan is an Irish name ..

[celeste]

I thought it was the BNP who were against immigration - I also thought the BNP and the EDL were in conflict not long ago
 
Not heard the name Cregan before but I believe Regan is an Irish name

[Cupcake]

I was being polite.  The EDL specifically opposes the spread of all things Islam.  Veils, mosques, Sharia law - they believe (as did the Norwegian gunman) that permitting Muslims to go about their daily lives in peace somehow undermines our own national identity.   Mostly, they just turn up and shout stuff and scuffle in the street.  They'd certainly not look to kill two white police officers.
 
Yes, the BNP used to be Fascist white supremacist skinheads wanting to deport anyone who wasn't white.  Their leader had an epiphany though and now they wear suits to cover their HH tattoos, stand for elections and just want to ensure the happiness of all their brethren of colour by returning them to the land of their origins.    

[celeste]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19911943
 
Radcliffe man jailed for four months
 
Barry Thew walked through town centre wearing an offensive t-shirt with the words 'one pig less perfect justice' refering to the killing of the two policewomen

[celeste]

I thought I must mention this:
 
3 March 2013 Last updated at 11:10     Charity walk raises £2,000  PCs Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes were killed on 18 September   

Police charity walk for killed PCs

Garden unveiled for killed PCs

Police bike ride honours shot PCs

A charity walk around Greater Manchester in memory of two police officers killed on duty has raised £2,000.
 
PCs Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes, 23, were shot in Hattersley on 18 September at a suspected burglary.
 
Ten officers, from Tameside and Oldham Division, began the 110 mile (177km) on Friday and ended earlier.
 
Walk spokesman Chris Hayden said it had raised £2,000 but there were still more donations to come.
 
The walk started at the Civic Hall at Uppermill, passing through Stockport, Altrincham, Hale and Culcheth.
 
The officers arrived in Wigan town centre on Saturday morning, before walking to Horwich and Ramsbottom.
 
During the evening and overnight they travelled through Denshaw before returning to Uppermill.
 
Money raised will go to the Care of Police Survivors charity.
 
Dale Cregan, 29, has admitted the officers' murders and is currently on trial at Preston Crown Court.

[celeste]

'I'll be waiting': Dale Cregan called police to a house in Mottram, then shot them
   Dale Cregan trial

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Dale Cregan's grenade stash found

One 'look' led to feud and murder

Routine call ended in slaying of PCs

Dale Cregan will spend the rest of his life in jail for four murders, including those of two police officers in Greater Manchester.
 
Cregan had admitted killing PCs Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes, and father and son David and Mark Short.
 
He also admitted the attempted murders of John Collins, Michael Belcher and Ryan Pridding during the attack on Mark Short at a Droylsden pub in May 2012.
 
He was cleared of a charge of attempted murder of Sharon Hark.
 
Passing a whole-life sentence at Preston Crown Court, Mr Justice Holroyde QC said Cregan had had "a cold-blooded and ruthless determination to end the lives of PCs Bone and Hughes".
 
"You acted with premeditated savagery [and] drew those two officers into a calculated trap to kill them," he said.
Family feud
Four other men were jailed for their parts in the killings of David and Mark Short and one further man was jailed for assisting an offender.
 
The murder of Mark Short at the Cotton Tree Inn by Cregan, Luke Livesey and Damian Gorman came after a decade-long feud between families.
 
Following the death Cregan, Anthony Wilkinson and Jermaine Ward killed Mark Short's father David in a gun and grenade attack.
 
With the help of Mohammed Imran Ali, the three then went on the run.
 
Cregan later lured PCs Hughes and Bone to their deaths before handing himself into police.
 
Livesey, 28, and Gorman, 38, were each jailed for 33 years for the murder of Mark Short and the three attempted murders at the Cotton Tree Inn in Droylsden.
 
Wilkinson, 34, and Ward, 24, were jailed for 35 years and 33 years respectively for killing David Short at his Clayton home in August.
 
Ali, 32, was jailed for seven years for assisting an offender.
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I knew the Shorts and Wilkinson by sight. I passed Dave Shorts house minutes after he was killed, just as the police came screaming up the street. I had no idea until a few minutes later what had transpired. As terrible as the Shorts killings were, I doubt there will be many law abiding people in the area who will mourn their passing. With regard to Cregan. I believe he should hang for the senseless and barbaric murder of those two policewomen. May they rest in peace.

[celeste]

I like the idea of them being caged for the rest of their lives better

[Cupcake]

I agree.  At 29, given the sort of average lifespan for his generation, he will spend 50 years in prison.  Knowing he will never get out.   I am sure he would rather hang. 
 
I still can't believe anyone would use hand grenades as he did.  Some people really are beyond fixing, aren't they?