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lozflan

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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #30 on: 13:39:58, 14/06/13 »
Enough said on my part, what an evil B/S/T/D.   A bit too close to home.  But i wonder in years to come, will more be revealed, as in Hillsboro.
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #31 on: 16:19:17, 14/06/13 »
I would move house rather than live in that sort of atmosphere - was it Droylsden or Hattersley?
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #32 on: 17:27:05, 14/06/13 »
Dale Cregan: Court convoy risked lives says PCC Aerial shot of police convoy to Dale Cregan trial Dale Cregan and the other defendants were driven from prison in Manchester to Preston Crown Court every day of the 18-week trial    Dale Cregan trial
  The lives of police and public were risked by Dale Cregan's daily trip from jail to court, Greater Manchester's Police and Crime Commissioner said.
Tony Lloyd said millions of pounds could have been saved in policing the trial if he had been kept in Preston jail.
Cregan was transported every day from the high-security HMP Manchester to Preston Crown Court.
The cost of policing the trial, to Lancashire Police and GMP, was £5.075m.'Very angry' Cregan received a whole-life jail term after admitting murdering PCs Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes, and father and son David and Mark Short in gun and grenade attacks.
Mr Lloyd said a letter written jointly with GMP Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy was sent to the Ministry of Justice and the Home Office saying that Preston should have had its security category temporarily reclassified to hold Cregan.
The operation saw a massive armed convoy and the police helicopter deployed on each day of the 18-week trial, with more than 150 police officers guarding Cregan and his co-accused on the 70-mile round trip.
"I am very angry that the good men and women of Greater Manchester and Lancashire Police, security staff and - most importantly of all - members of the public were put at risk by this operation, which was simply unnecessary," said Mr Lloyd.
   HMP Preston was not secure enough to hold Dale Cregan, the Prison Service said  "Let's not forget that Cregan's crimes included the murders of two police officers. Every minute this convoy was on the road there was a danger that another police officer could have been seriously injured or killed.
Mr Lloyd said the cost of the Cregan convoy was "ridiculously expensive".'Crazy money' He said the National Offender Management Service had said it was "too expensive" to convert HMP Preston into a high-security facility.
Mr Lloyd added: "They came up with a crazy figure of £10m, which is simply pie in the sky. Their chief concern seemed to be that they didn't want to make the investment.
"So it appears that common sense can be scattered to the wind if you don't have to pick up the tab.
"In the end, of course, we've all had to pay for this operation because, although the Home Office have agreed to cover some of the costs, the taxpayer is still significantly out of pocket at a time when finances across the public sector are stretched so much."
Mr Lloyd said he would raise the issue again with the home secretary and justice secretary.
Lancashire's Police and Crime Commissioner, Clive Grunshaw, said policing the trial had cost Lancashire Police £2.375m, GMP £700,000, and the Home Office £2m.
A Prison Service spokesperson said: "Public protection is our number one priority and HMP Preston could not provide the high security needed for such a dangerous criminal.
"Not only would it potentially have put the public at risk - it would have cost millions of pounds and taken months to complete, further delaying bringing these despicable crimes before the courts."
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #33 on: 18:47:30, 14/06/13 »
 
 
what also gets me is for someone to walk in to police station and confess to the murders of two police women ,why did have to take 18 weeks on a confession ???. for what everybody knew half a day tops, guilty life imprisonment.
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #34 on: 08:44:40, 15/06/13 »
Osman notices, 140  given to Droylsden residents, some of whom are leaving their homes, a full page in todays MIRROR.    That should give you a clue CE..
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #35 on: 09:52:53, 15/06/13 »
Every person is entitled to a fair trial, Exclaytoner.  Dale Cregan has had his.  Everything has been properly done, he has had all his rights observed and that means he has no grounds for appeal and no halfwit Human Rights Do-Gooder can ever find a loophole that gets him out again.   O0
 
Osman notices are for those at risk of being killed.  That would be the families involved in the feud that Dale Cregan was running, which caused the deaths of those two police officers?  Sooner they all scatter, the better for the decent residents, eh?
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #36 on: 10:19:51, 15/06/13 »
I would move house rather than live in that sort of atmosphere - was it Droylsden or Hattersley?

 
I  live in the area very close to the homes of some of the main names in the recent court case, both those who are alive and those recently murdered. I have lived around here for most of my life and can honestly state that I have never felt fear of attack or worse. This area may not be to every bodies taste, but I like living here. The vast majority of residents around here are decent law abiding people who just want to get on with their lives. Yes we have crime, it's no different in that respect from a lot of areas. However I can state quite honestly that I haven't heard of a robbery or mugging in this area for a lot of years. That's not to say that it doesn't happen, but I haven't heard of any.
 
Give a dog a bad name and it sticks. Moss side in Manchester has had a terrible name for years, yet I worked in the area a lot and the vast majority of residents are decent hard working people, the same as they are in other areas. working as a cabby for nearly 30 years I saw a lot of crime and criminals. Back in the day I have taken people to places like Wilmslow Hale and Bowdon to buy drugs. You can't judge a place or a person by first impressions. Nor can you always believe what you read in the press.
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #37 on: 18:34:09, 15/06/13 »
I very rarely go out at night unless I can take a taxi - I know what you mean about areas though, my son paid for me to go to London first class, on my return I decided to take the tram to Sale and get a taxi - there was a small queue and unfortunately at the time the pubs were emptying and it nearly spoilt the day for me having to listen to drunks, but not quite ;)
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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #38 on: 22:39:28, 15/06/13 »
Excuse my ignorance but what is an Osman notice

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Re: Two Policewomen killed in Manchester
« Reply #39 on: 22:50:37, 15/06/13 »
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_threat
 
It's a Notice given by the police to a potential victim of a threat to life
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