'Clare's Law' - father wants it expanded

[celeste]

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The father of a woman killed by her ex-partner has said thousands of women could be saved from violent partners if a scheme in her name is expanded.
The trial, nicknamed Clare's Law, allows people to find out whether their partner has a violent or abusive past.
It is being used until September by police forces in Greater Manchester, Wiltshire, Nottinghamshire and Gwent.
Clare Wood from Salford was murdered in 2009. She had complained to police about George Appleton before her death.
Michael Brown said the trial of the Domestic Violence Disclosure Scheme (DVDS) so far proved there was a "demand for it".
He said: "It would give them the information so they could make an objective decision of whether to stay or go.
 Continue reading the main story 'Clare's Law' pilot figures:

Greater Manchester Police: 90 applications for a disclosure made. Police granted 53 disclosures.

Gwent Police: 39 applications for a disclosure made. Police granted 8 disclosures.

Nottinghamshire Police: 53 applications for disclosure made. Police granted 5 disclosures.

Wiltshire Police: 102 applications for disclosure made. Police granted 15 disclosures.

"If you knew you were going to be in trouble with a man who has a history of domestic violence, I don't think you would be staying with him that long - you're not only putting yourself in danger but you're putting those around you, especially children in danger."
He added: "At present the trial is only being used in four counties, but in those counties we are having anything up to 100 applications so far.
"If you multiply that by the number of police forces in England and Wales that's somewhere in the region of 4,300 people a year being helped."'Confirmed doubts' Ms Wood, a mother-of-one, had met Appleton on Facebook. She was unaware of his history of violence against women including repeated harassment, threats and the knifepoint kidnapping of another ex-girlfriend.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said 65 people had applied for a disclosure about a boyfriend or an individual who was in a relationship with someone they knew.
A further 25 applications were submitted by agencies where it was felt someone might be at risk.
Of these, police granted 53 disclosures, while in other cases the partner did not have a record of violent offences or there was no information that a risk was present.
"Anne", who has used Clare's Law, said: "I kind of expected the disclosure to dispel any doubts I had about the guy, but in fact it just confirmed all my doubts about him. I would have been looking at a serious hospital visit I think if he had of lost his temper with me at some point.
"I did manage to speak to one of his ex-partners - she tracked me down on a social media website and I found out the incident with her was violent. I definitely had a lucky escape." 'Coercive control' Policing minister Damian Green said: "Because this is such an important issue we guaranteed nearly £40m to help fund support services over domestic sexual violence until 2015, so even in an age where we are having to make necessary cuts, actually we are protecting those frontline services.
"Not only have we introduced the pilot of Clare's Law, we are opening new rape crisis centres and we are protecting the budget of the general support services."
But Polly Neate, chief executive of Women's Aid, said Clare's Law was not a solution to the overall issue.
She said: "The most common time for a woman to be subjected to very serious violence or murdered is just when she is leaving the relationship or when she has just left.
"The other issue is that many perpetrators of domestic violence do not have a previous conviction, so a woman might find out that her partner does not have a previous conviction but that doesn't always mean he isn't dangerous.
"The most important thing is to spread awareness of the early signs of domestic violence which we often mistake for excessive affection or romantic attitudes, which actually are the beginnings of coercive control."   More on This Story   Related Stories

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[celeste]

This applies to women who are violent towards their male partner/s I would
think

[Cupcake]

This bloke is speaking from the perspective of what happened to his daughter.  There are violent women aplenty and this is a law that says ANYONE has the right to ask whether their partner, or the partner of someone they know, has a violent past.  The Police can check whether the intent in asking is malicious and decline to disclose any information.   Public agencies can ask; I could ask about my sister's partner or my nephew's partner.  It's completely without bias as a law.
 
 

[celeste]

I hope it is expanded given that it will save many lives

[Wytchfynder]

Feminazi man hater and truth suppression machine Ms Neate ploughing in there spouting nonsense to keep the farcical DV/abuse lies going and keep the funding rolling in    Why did she try to stop  a major UK  newspaper publishing the truth and exposing this farce?  One can only imagine 

[celeste]

The crux of the matter is that there is far too much domestic violence going on, probably a lot not reported through fear - how would you suggest we help these women, not forgetting that sometimes the children of these families have to witness it?

[Adsum]

For some reason most of the women who have passed through my life have ended up wanting to beat me up.   

[Wytchfynder]

Things the public needs to know...Domestic Violence is not what you think it is.  The original definition was stupid enough, a man having a sly £5 on the grand national instead of buying all the groceries...domestic violence.
 
The expanded definition is now so wide as to be laughable and encompasses daily activities of normal life..merely saying No to a woman = dv.  A woman fancying a bit of late nite shopping, but the man saying 'no thanks. I'm tired after work, I want to put my feet up and watch a movie' = domestic violence.
 
The expanded definition also includes teenagers who aren't even living in the same house..boys and girls giving each other 'funny looks'  as they do =  domestic violence
 
Men are the biggest victims of domestic violence...yes y'all read that right. plenty of stats prove it too.
 
The DV industry is a nice little earner for womens groups...oodles of funding rolling in to continue their lies and campaign of hatred.
 
As the American leader of womens refuges said.."It's true that 3 in 10 women get arrested for DV by the police whilst only 1in 10 men get arrested,  but that doesn't mean its women are the majority of DV offenders.  Go figure.
 
And as for English womens refuges..go google Erin Pizzey, the woman who founded the first womens refuge. She began blowing the whistle on the entire scam, but was forced out of the UK for years due to death threats by other women in on the scam.
 
And the greatest perpetrators of child abuse, violence and murder of young children?  Women.
 
 

[celeste]

Take physical violence then - surely you are against it especially when there are children in the house
 
I am against it whether it is by a man or a woman

[Adsum]

There can be no excuse for physical domestic violence of any kind. Remember years ago when Sean Connery stated in an interview that there was no harm in giving a woman an occasional slap to keep them in line. He was referring to his first wife Dianne Cilento. He was crucified for it later, and quite rightly so.

[celeste]

Same with Dennis Waterman, he abused Rula Lenska his wife, saying sometimes there comes a point when he loses it in an argument

[Wytchfynder]

Citing individual 'celebrity cases' merely clouds the truth of the bigger picture.  Women are by far the majority (90%) in instigating unprovoked physical assaults on men and are waaay more likely to use a weapon against the man.
 
And given that men are far more likely NOT to report incidents of DV or weaponised physical assault,  the bigger picture makes things look even worse for women.

[celeste]

You are saying that it's women's fault that men abuse them because they 'instigate' it ?
 
Women may pick up a weapon to defend themselves as most men being stronger they need to balance things up

[Wytchfynder]

Read the post again..instigation of unprovoked attack.  Initiation of  attack by women on men for no reason.
Men generally do not need to use weapons, kitchen knives, forks, bottles, whatever, however police, ambulance,  hospital and other agencies files record a litany of cuts and injuries to mens hands and arms, which is a classic sign of someone attempting to defend themselves from a weaponised attack.   

[celeste]

Women will use weapons to defend themselves which would account for the marks on the men
I can't see why women wouldn't seek refuge when they have been frightened into leaving their homes either
 
If the woman makes a physical attack on a man without him touching her then she is at fault - but what if he blocks the doors so she cannot get out?