'Clare's Law' - father wants it expanded

[Wytchfynder]

Youre  looking at it the wrong way round.  marks on arms and hands are the classic sign of someone attempting to defend themselves from a knife attack, not the initiator of the attack.  civilians ie the public, do not attack someone holding a knife or other weapon, its common sense.
 
And domestic violence is far, far more than just the physical stuff which womens groups love to present to the public as the 'face' of dv...women being battered by men, when of course, women are responsible for most of it anyway.  It's comical watching them try to fool the public into thinking theyre the victims when most of the time theyre the aggressors!!
 
But it still wont stop them recording such scandalous outrages as this as dv to add to the 'shocking stats' to keep the funding rolling in:
 
Man not in the mood for talking to the woman?....dv
Man not in the mood for kissing/cuddling/sex?....dv
 
And of course, right now theres absolutely nothing stopping a woman picking up the phone, phoning the plod with an accusation of dv and the man gets turfed out of his own home for minimum 48 hours with no judicial standard evidence whatsoever!

[Cupcake]

Don't get me wrong, I agree that male victims of domestic abuse get a raw deal.  There are 7500 places in refuges for battered women and just 60 for men, for example.  Personally, I believe the truth is probably that there are as many violent women as violent men.  I think it's a personality defect, not a gender issue.  It's hard to be accurate, because lots of people - of both genders - are too ashamed or frightened to say anything.  But the actual statistics are as follows:
 
"Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey show that men made up about 40% of domestic violence victims each year between 2004-05 and 2008-09, the last year for which figures are available. In 2006-07 men made up 43.4% of all those who had suffered partner abuse in the previous year, which rose to 45.5% in 2007-08 but fell to 37.7% in 2008-09.
Similar or slightly larger numbers of men were subjected to severe force in an incident with their partner, according to the same documents. The figure stood at 48.6% in 2006-07, 48.3% the next year and 37.5% in 2008-09, Home Office statistics show.
The 2008-09 bulletin states: "More than one in four women (28%) and around one in six men (16%) had experienced domestic abuse since the age of 16. These figures are equivalent to an estimated 4.5 million female victims of domestic abuse and 2.6 million male victims."
In addition, 6% of women and 4% of men reported having experienced domestic abuse in the past year, equivalent to an estimated one million female victims of domestic abuse and 600,000 male victims. "

[celeste]

I've said it before and I'll say it now - separate houses and visit for sex
 
I agree both men and women can be of the aggressive type,  but what frightens me and always has is the statement in the 'Linzi Ashton' thread that men would kill a woman when she wants to break off the relationship/ wants to leave the house
I would think that's mainly a 'man thing'
those horrible women Tracey Andrews and Jane Andrews (no relation) both did it
 
You would think these people would have more pride

[Wytchfynder]

separate houses and visit for sex is exactly what the peecee equalitee cultural Marxists  aim to achieve. And that's supported by govts and big business who realise that such a strategy is an absolute goldmine for increasing tax revenue & consumer spending. The last thing this 'coalition of dementeds' want is the nuclear family living under one roof..only one telly,  furniture etc, very bad for business and taxation gathering.
 
The fundamental psychology behind the 'man thing' can be best summed by realising that its actually the men who are the true and real romantics in this world, not women, despite all the Mills & Boon guff.

[celeste]

I do like my men to be romantic 
 
but as there is a housing shortage that may balance your argument

[Wytchfynder]

The psychology aspect of the male/female relationship dynamic will probably sail over most peoples heads,  However leaving that aside for a moment, in many ways, women in general are oblivious to or choose to purposely ignore  the role they play in actively encouraging violence in men, and thus are responsible for any misfortunes that befall them. Basically, women cannot have it both ways. Attraction to, encouragement of and sexual attraction to men who have a predisposition to violence is desired and rewarded by women. They seek a man who can 'protect them and make them feel safe', ie a man who has attained the necessary 'violent capabilities'  So whats it gonna be ladies? You cant have it both ways.
 
And speaking from personal experience, leaving aside my good looks, intelligence, charm and wit, the number of women over the years attracted to me solely on the basis of my height, build and physique is absolutely ridiculous. Instant assumption that as I've clearly got 'what it takes' I'm gonna be their personal bodyguard and go around clobbering other blokes to make them 'feel safe'. Wrong.

[Cupcake]

So what's the difference for men who pick women who hit them?  Presumably they seek/encourage/instigate/deserve it to exactly the same degree in your opinion?   
 
Violence is not a gender issue.  All the stupid arguing over gender is a waste of time.  People who are abused should be encouraged and helped to get out of the situation - doesn't matter what genitals they have. 

[celeste]

Wytchfynder sounds like he has studied the subject at length, maybe some women like men to be a powerhouse in the bedroom and an average guy out of it
 
I would expect most women just want an affectionate and fun relationship, and to keep their men away from dangerous situations
 

[Cupcake]

If two people are happy together, then whatever their relationship is, it's clearly working.  Be it traditional or otherwise.  That's all that matters - and everyone else should smile and be happy for them. 

[Wytchfynder]

Physical aggression/violence in women never has and never will be regarded as an attractive or desirable trait by men, who accordingly shun or avoid such women, not only for their own physical safety,  but also as they have no desire to encourage a society where  violence in women is respected or seen as sexually attractive. Life, for most men, is already violent and dangerous enough.
 
Men are attracted to this....feminine women.  Always have and always will.  Being feminine is in itself a strength and an admirable quality.
 
And violence is a gender issue as the warmongering support groups and feminazis have chosen to make it one.
 
Women simply cannot deny their role in encouraging, respecting and rewarding violence, even of the most gruesome and sadistic nature.  Why are the mailboxes of serial killers and  others on Death Row overflowing with love letters from admiring women and errmm...marriage proposals?

[celeste]

Quote:Why are the mailboxes of serial killers and  others on Death Row overflowing with love letters from admiring women and errmm...marriage proposals.
 
 Maybe it empowers those particular women, I think there are some weak women who would behave like that and I doubt that the male prisoners have any respect for them. I wish you would say 'some women' as you make it sound like 'all women' behave in an anti-male way

[Cupcake]

Physical aggression/violence in women never has and never will be regarded as an attractive or desirable trait by men, who accordingly shun or avoid such women, not only for their own physical safety,  but also as they have no desire to encourage a society where  violence in women is respected or seen as sexually attractive. Life, for most men, is already violent and dangerous enough.
 

So how do all these male victims of domestic violence end up there, if they shun violent women?     My question - and you've dodged it - in your view, are men responsible for picking violent women if women are responsible for picking violent men? Cos it seems to me you can't have that both ways - women are responsible but men aren't. 
 
I don't think anyone is responsible for being abused in any way.  The decision to do it lies solely with the abuser and so does the blame. 
 

[celeste]

Quote Wytchfynder:

And speaking from personal experience, leaving aside my good looks, intelligence, charm and wit, the number of women over the years attracted to me solely on the basis of my height, build and physique is absolutely ridiculous. Instant assumption that as I've clearly got 'what it takes' I'm gonna be their personal bodyguard and go around clobbering other blokes to make them 'feel safe'. Wrong.
 
 Clearly you don't rate modesty as an attribute

[Cupcake]

I don't know where he lives, but clearly the women are a bit rough.... I'd drop a bloke like a hot brick if he went round clobbering people.   

[Adsum]

I have tried to resist contributing to this particular thread since I posted my flippant comment earlier. However one of the best relationships I have ever had was without doubt the most volatile relationship and the most passionate I have ever had. This doesn't mean to say that I condone violence because I don't. However is violence still classed as violence when it involves certain practice's, such as bondage and Sado masochistic erotica when part  of a passionate relationship between consenting adults. Is this  still classed as physical abuse?